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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.23 17:09:00 -
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no, afk cloaking is fine and just a result of local as OP intel tool.
afk cloaking just reflects the power of local back on its abusers, this is all right. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.23 17:18:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:So let's say that Local is taken
if local is nerfed (I dont demand complete removal of it), cloak should be nerfed too then, thats right. But your ideas all come up on forums about afk cloaking completely ignore this true issue initially. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:13:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:
I cant think of any game that has allowed a cloak class to go completely undetected or doesn't have a counter.
so what? other games arent a valid argument.
Behr Oroo wrote:Local isn't the issue and you know it. The cloaky campers depend on local. It's how they work. They want people to know they are there. Why else do it? AFK camping would be useless without local. You would have to be ACTIVE to be a treat and that's all I suggest. Be active.
finally you got it
Behr Oroo wrote:
The guy in a rookie ship with a cyno bothers me and if you are going to say on the forums that things like that don't happen then you're crazy.
lol.. scared of cyno noobship. Just pop it prior anyone can get through his cyno, you're good.. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.23 19:41:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:The idea does not unbalance anything. If anything it adds more balance to null sec play and increases the chances of PVP on all sides.
no it would not balance anything, it would unbalance even more. Cloakers are the only risk for bears in deep 0.0, without that they could farm ISK in all safety all day long, day for day.
Tecate wrote:
Just a way to chase you and MAKE you active. If you stop flying around then your dead. I would even go as far as a longer scan time to give you time to warp off. That makes you active and not some movie watcher trying to disrupt gameplay for lots of other people or alliances.
this is exactly the nerf of cloak and buff of local, since you would know everyone listed there is active and dangerous.. all you need to do is to wait till he gots bored and logs off or leaves prior resuming your farming activities.
Sitting afk somewhere is done exactly for the purpose to blur intel given by the local channel. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.06.23 20:10:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:
This isn't true. There are many non cloak roams that can interfere with null sec industrial operations.
it is.
Roaming? Are you joking? Read intel and go to POS, wait till the roaming passes, go back to what you did before. No f*cks given about any roaming gangs. Local even instantly tells you when first of them is about to appear in your system.
Behr Oroo wrote:Short and sweet of it is, AFK cloaky campers are looking to troll a system.
troll a system, hm?
Behr Oroo wrote:People will create arguments on this and that and all the other bullshit but the truth is. AFK cloak camping is easy, it gets kills, it trolls carebears, and people want Lulz for hearing the miners cry.
its easy yeah, but ratting and avoiding any threat is easy too. Way too easy, this is why afk cloakers exist - they force either to stop playing or accept the risk for more pvp as you requested.
Behr Oroo wrote:You can say it will unbalance this or whatever but you know that's bullshit. The cloakies like their alt rookie ship cyno blob crutch. It's easy, cheap and effective. All I am asking for is a way to FIGHT back. The cloaky camper has the total advantage.
your "idea" is bullshit, that is. You can fight back? Organize pvp defense fleet during your mining activities and repel that cloaky ibis danger. You know what? You wont, because its effort all you want is mining in all peace, secured by a chat window which instanaly tells you when a danger appears - you better will come to forums and b*tch about other people disrupting your play. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.24 08:54:00 -
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we're argueing with a 5 months old noob here... just saying |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.24 09:42:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:
How can you not get it??? It's pretty simple.
5 months old.. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:52:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:
I am willing to put my ships at risk and fight. I can make others. The risk doesnt bother me. The fact that my hands are tied and I cant engage this pilot is my issue. Even if it isn't a ship, something needs to be done to combat camping.
right now cloakers are safe yes, if you nerf them the way you want, jewing empires in deep 0.0 would be safe. I prefer the first. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:00:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:I actually disagree. I think the idea of the scout ship offers the balance you want. Right now PVPers cry foul cause PVEers dock up or run. This ship doesn't allow that. Why? Cause its in space. It's design to go start a fight.
its not about a fight its about jewing empires being safe. You shouldnt be able to rat and generate masses of ISK in total safety, which would be possible then.
Behr Oroo wrote:
So you prefer your safety but when I ask for an equal footing, suddenly become a 5 month old noob.......
yes I always would pick safe cloaker before safe ratter, the first isnt generating wealth of any form.
afk cloaking doesnt even stop income btw, all it stops are dumb farmers who never leave a system and are too stupid for anything else than farming hubs. There are plenty of ways to evade cloakers... |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:52:00 -
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just go diaf finally.
or read other threads same topic was beaten to death already.
afk cloaking is fine. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:34:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:[quote=Friggz]I havent lied about anything. My intentions are truly to create more PVP. You are the one making assumptions about my intentions based on your own bias against industrial toons.
only a dumb i*diot would believe your idea would bring more pvp. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:42:00 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:
I came to this forum to discuss a feature that I think would be helpful to the game and I will continue to do so.
your idea is sh*t and all you want is safety not more pvp. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:47:00 -
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we all should stop bumping this terrible thread. |
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